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OH, what an …
OH, what an ignorant guy I am of YouTube, I just found the “Play All” and “View All” links just about comments! But, my other suggestions may be useful for some of us….
Comment by RealFoodRemedies — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
Now with that in …
Now with that in mind think about what that jerk ask Ron Paul at the the debate: “Are you even electable?” and made a very serious attempt to prejudice the audience right from the first words spoken. I will remember that man’s face long after I forget his name. THAT my friends is an “enemy of the state” of freedom and liberty. How dare that son of attempt to play with my mind, and the minds of my countrymen like it was a rubit’s cube. Yes…my friends, I have woken up!
RON PAUL…2012!!!
Comment by amzuel420 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
That clip of Barry …
That clip of Barry Goldwater reminded me of how effective the propaganda machine really is. They made him look like a total lunatic. I remember being around 10 or so and hearing people make jokes about him. It was all a bunch of manipulating of the public. IE: we were told that he was a racist because he opposed the civil rights act of 64. He opposed it because the way it was written, it interfered with “everyone’s” personal rights. He was all for equal rights he just wanted it re-written.
Comment by amzuel420 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
If states break fro …
If states break fro federal government, Ron Paul would be a great leader of seccession states. otherwise, Ron Paul would be a great leader of all states.
Comment by macdogq — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
ww w . lewrockwell …
ww w . lewrockwell . com /long/ long11 . html
this article explains common objections like about “the rich taking over”(its #8) and many other silly claims you make against anarchy.
Comment by return135 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
The rich elite and …
The rich elite and powerful still buy the law, courts, legislature, executive.
If you can afford it, you can literally get away with murder.
If you’re powerful enough you can even get away with mass murder (like the entire Bush administration)….
….or have your political enemies locked up (like what happened to gov Don Siegelman when he got on the wrong side of Karl Rove.)
Comment by fczwartek — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
it was a different …
it was a different system. people would buy and sell who they wanted to represent them in law, courts and defence. It was like shopping for the best best clothes expect they would shop for law, courts and defence.
that is completely different from what we have today. can you comprehend the difference?
Comment by return135 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
“a parliament where …
“a parliament where seats were bought and sold like a commodity.”
That’s sounds a lot like what we currently have….
Obama outspent Mccain by about 2-1. 93% of the winners in the house of “representatives” and 94% of the winners in the senate outspent their opponents in the 2008 elections..
…and that was supposed to be a big sea change election.
The elections are really just a rubber stamp for the candidates that big business chooses.
Comment by fczwartek — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
Somalia is kinda a …
Somalia is kinda a complicated cuz the state collapsed and then people intervened from around the world. They had “anarchy” for about 10 years, and in those 10 years they were doing better than when they had a state. their economy grew.
Iceland having a parliament where seats are bought and sold like a commodity can hardly be considered as a state.
old west did not have a formal government because no one had a legal monopoly on order.
penn- mises. org /story / 1865
there are more examples too.
Comment by return135 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
“wages are taxed …
“wages are taxed higher than capital gains.”
That’s right, and I agree it is onerous. That’s supply side economics 101 for you. “Voodoo economics” as Poppy Bush called it in the 70s (course he was more than happy to go along with it when he was VP and Prez.)
The frightening thing is that during other recessions and depressions we had an enormous industrial base to pull us out. That’s gone now…
Supplanted by voodoo practitioners and banksters on wall st.
Comment by fczwartek — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
“And those policies …
“And those policies already enacted are the reason all the good jobs are leaving and not coming back. ”
Jobs are leaving because wages are taxed higher than capital gains. It is more profitable to trade paper than to start a company in America and make stuff, so that’s what the wealthy have been doing since the 80s.
Onerous taxation (especially payroll taxes)and regulation are the other reasons that it is not profitable to make stuff in America.
These are all policies enforced by govt.
Comment by klaptongroovemaster — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
“Ireland, Iceland, …
“Ireland, Iceland, Old West, Pennsylvania”
You forgot Somalia.
By the way- Iceland had a gvmnt with a parliament during its “anarchy” period. Pennsylvania has had a gvmnt since 1681 only a few weeks after William Penn was given the land grant, gvmnt existed in the wild west…
The search for profits will repress people’s lives as much as possible when it is not restrained by public control. Businessmen (and women) wouldn’t be doing their jobs otherwise.
Comment by fczwartek — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
go look up what …
go look up what natural order means. wiki it. cause you obviously dont understand the concept.
also did you know that society predates the state. meaning society began with out a state! A state was just imposed on society by a small group of parasites that wished to seek control and wealth.
have you ever read about the anarchist societies that have existed in the past? exs)Ireland, iceland, old west, Pennsylvania
go listen to some market anarchists on youtube. there are tons of them.
Comment by return135 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
“governments …
“governments disrupt the natural order of society”
Gvmnts have been around since at least the time of the ancient Sumerians about 7000 years ago. Governance is a cornerstone of civilization and society.
They are probably not going away anytime soon.
And I’m the one who’s uneducated?
Comment by fczwartek — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
you’re an idiot. …
you’re an idiot. you made so many unjustified, uneducated, and unfounded statements in that comment.
Its called an emergent order. People are social creatures and they will organize. It has been done in the past and it is being done today to a certain extent. Government disrupts the natural order of society.
Comment by return135 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
That’s a nice …
That’s a nice theory….remove the gvmnt and some kind of “free market” voodoo mysticism will step in and make corporations just disappear….
But it is crazy to think that corporations are going to pack it up and go home when you kill off the gvmnt.
They could probably steal you money even more efficiently if you were to remove any token interference from the state.
The sooner you destroy the state the sooner they can fill the vacuum.
But at least you’ll be “free.”
Comment by fczwartek — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
You can also blame …
You can also blame the state for most of the damage the corporations do too, because without the states favorable laws towards corporations they would not be able to do all the things they do today. Corporations are basically state sponsored entities. Its not that business is bad, its business involved with government that is bad.
also, how will democracy solve any of this? Ever heard of the “absolute power corrupts absolutely” quote? That applies to democracy too! democracy is worthless.
Comment by return135 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
You would blame the …
You would blame the state for the crimes of a private corporation/industry.
I blame the state (i.e. corrupt politicians) for not having the backbone to drag these despicable criminal enterprises and totalitarian institutions called corporations to the guillotine and chopping their gargantuan heads off.
Of course, that won’t happen cuz we don’t actually live in a democracy, our system is a corporate fascist plutocracy.
Comment by fczwartek — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
your confusing …
your confusing liberty, with detrimental economic policies enacted by the state.
Also, if you really want to look at the death toll and who is the real killer of people you should look at the state. The state and the state wars have easily killed in the hundreds of millions of people this century alone.
The state has also extorted trillions of dollars from the population, put countless numbers of people in prison for victimless crimes, and hampered countless innovations in every sector.
Comment by return135 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
“democracy is …
“democracy is barbarism”
And “freedom” is the 17 million children go hungry in the richest nation on the planet (in history.)
“Liberty” is when 40,000 people die in this country every year so that the “free market” health insurance industry executives can fly around in corporate jets and eat with gold plated utensils. After all, they earned it. Killing 40,000 people a year is hard work!
And war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength.
Comment by fczwartek — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
democracy is not an …
democracy is not an “enlightened” idea. It is barbarism. It provides no protection of property, or individual freedom.
The free market is not dogma, it is merely supporting voluntary interaction in society without the coercive state.
your statism on the other hand is dogma placed down by authorities from the state.
Comment by return135 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
“I hate democracy.” …
“I hate democracy.”
You sound like a well balanced and enlightened individual.
Is your charismatic demeanor in any way related to your religious beliefs (i.e. free market fundamentalism)?
Comment by fczwartek — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
its people like you …
its people like you that remind me why i hate democracy so much.
Comment by return135 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
“no sarcasm- you’re …
“no sarcasm- you’re and idiot.”
Yeah? You’re apparently a real genius too. You can’t even make an intelligible insult.
Better luck next time!
Comment by fczwartek — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm
*sarcasm* ya cause …
*sarcasm* ya cause sound money, no inflation, no laws restricting employment, and free trade are terrible for humanity and the middle class…*no sarcasm* you’re and idiot.
Comment by return135 — April 20, 2010 @ 11:16 pm